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2014 Officers

Posted by Trish Dusil on January 20, 2014 at 8:30 AM Comments comments (3)

2014 Officers


President: Trish Dusil


Vice President: Robin Geiger


Secretary: Susan Graves




District Representatives


Open- covering is Robin Geiger- SOUTHWESTERN - The States of Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Texas, Utah, Arizona, Nevada, and the Country of Mexico.



Trish Dusil-CENTRAL – The States of Missouri, Iowa, South Dakota, Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and the Province of Ontario.



Feike van Dijk-WESTERN - The States of Washington, Oregon, California, Wyoming, Alaska, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Hawaii, Nebraska, Colorado, The Provinces of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba and Saskatchewan.



Michael Newman- SOUTHEASTERN - The States of Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, Bermuda, U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico.



Diane McDonald- NORTHEASTERN - The States of Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, West Virginia, the District of Columbia and the Provinces of Quebec, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador.





The first member meeting will be shortly after. Please email me at [email protected] with suggestions for when you would prefer a member meeting to be held. Most of our meetings in the past have been held by using PalTalk. There have been some issues with some of our members being able to run that chat tool from their homes. We could always open a chat room on FaceBook. Please contact me to let me know what would work best for you, or if you have another idea for a host for our virtual meetings.




If you have not renewed your membership for 2014, please do so soon. You may contact Susan Graves for details. We will be setting a deadling for the egg color chart completion at the next Board of Directors meeting. All 2013 members will be receiving a copy of the chart.




Please feel free to contact me personally at any time with questions and comments concerning WCNA.




Happy Hatching!


Trish Dusil





Office Nominations for Jan 2014-Dec 2015

Posted by Trish Dusil on November 7, 2013 at 12:30 AM Comments comments (0)

Nominations will show in Red if accepted.


Michael Newman

Trisha Dusil

Diane McDonald Declined

Vice President

Piet van Genugten

Robin Geiger

Duane Smith-declined

Feike v Dijk declined

Diane McDonald declined


Duane Smith declined

Susan Graves

Feike van Dijk declined

Trish Dusil

Brian Walden declined

Janet Beall declined

Ambassador/ Webmaster/Newsletters

Michael Newman

Leanne Stock

Lisa Chmelar declined

Ready, set, go!

Posted by Trish Dusil on January 22, 2013 at 11:45 PM Comments comments (0)

WCNA is ready to accept Paypal payments for your 2013 membership. Membership dues are $10 for digital, $15 for paper/snail mail correspondence.


To pay via Paypal, send payment to [email protected] If you do not have a paypal account, please, just send an email and I will either send you an invoice via paypal so you may use your credit/debit card, or you can mail a check or money order.


Check/Money order can be mailed to...



c/o Trisha Dusil

3316 Union Ave

Coggon IA 52218

WCNA Membership Changes for 2013

Posted by Trish Dusil on January 18, 2013 at 11:20 PM Comments comments (4)

Here's the update you've been waiting for, folks!


We will be implementing some changes to the club for 2013. The club is growing, awareness of the breed is growing, so we are changing with the times. WCNA is excited to offer more benefits to our members!


Member benefits will include a quarterly newsletter, free breeder listing that will be posted free to the public on our website and in every newsletter, a point system as well as year end awards for members that reach their goals, Prizes for attending a WCNA meet, voting privileges on officer election and perks for the club.


I'll post when the Paypal account is up and running to start accepting memberships.


1. Membership goes from January 1st through December 31st. There will be a 15 day grace period for renewal.

2. Membership dues need to be in by 2/01/13 for Spring Newsletter for 2013. Membership dues need to be in by 01/15 every year thereafter as to not lose your point status. You may join at any time during the year, however membership will lapse 01/15 without renewal.

3. Membership fee is $10 for digital and $15 for paper/snail mail.

4. Payment encouraged via Paypal. If you do not have a paypal account, contact the secretary, Trish Dusil. An invoice can be sent to pay online using the WCNA account with a debit/credit card.

5. Membership includes quarterly newsletter. Members are encouraged to participate. Feel free to write an article to submit at any time. We will let you know when your article will be published.

6. Membership includes free breeder listing that is posted publicly on the website and newsletter.

7. Membership includes accrued points with the WCNA. Point system will be included in your membership packet.

8. Membership includes prizes at WCNA meets.

9. Members are encouraged to participate in the newsletter with submitted articles.

10. Membership must be current for votes to count in officer elections, website information, etc.

WCNA 2012 Fall/Winter E-Newsletter

Posted by Robin Paceley-Geiger on December 5, 2012 at 12:10 AM Comments comments (0)

From the President:


Glad everyone is doing well and the numbers of members are rising even more this year, added 30 members! Welcome!


There are a few breeders and owners getting out of the Welsummer business, mostly due to economics. Often I heard "We have to downsize the flock to managable numbers" or "getting out of Welsummers and focus on (name of breed)". I hope those people will continue to breed and improve their stock and sometimes the demand isn't great in their area. What could one do???


For starters, you certainly need to put your business/hobby up in the WCNA breeder's listings. I get emails all the time inquiring about the whereabouts of private breeders in their states. Unfortunately, what you see on the listings are all I have for the moment and some do not give out emails unless I contact them ahead of time to give them a heads up about a certain person or refer someone to them directly. It does not cost you anything, just my time adding the information on the website. If you have a website, please include that!


I know about downsizing our flock, due to husband being laid off recently and I'm fortunate I don't have to make "deep" cuts in my flock. Just keep the best of best and work from that. You don't have to breed to make money, most of us don't make money off of our Welsummers and to enjoy them is what they do to pay us back in eggs and enjoyment of their company. There is no need to "glut" the market with Welsummers and later down the line, horrible Welsummers outnumbered the true and tried quality Welsummers. Common sense is needed here and keep our focus on keeping the quality of Welsummers intact. Sure it may be cheaper to get hatchery Welsummers but in the long run, it is prudent to think ahead of time and what will keep you going in the long run if you get breeder's Welsummers and less heartaches, aggravations and money tied up into creating better Welsummers.


Two websites, the BYC and WCNA on FB has been the fast growing contact for our members! Our WCNA website is still a useful tool to look at Welsummer and looking over the SOP. I hope all of us are working in getting the feather colors corrected and the yellow orangish legs back into the breed. It is the breed that we have to work on perfecting on after it has been lost after the importations of the original Welsummers from UK and Canada. If it is a very serious fault like wry tails or barred/pencilled patterns or non acceptable traits, one would be well advised not to breed anymore of those Welsummers and try a different approach by "starting all over" with a breeder's stock that has been worked on for some time. A good breeder would try to improve from the flock he has and go on to future generations that only can get better, never two steps back.


I am happy to announce that we have a new secretary, Trisha Dusil. We didn't have that many voters and majority voted Trisha as our new secretary. I also added new position for her as the show secretary/advisor. If any of you show Welsummers or wanted to show Welsummers or just additional information about Welsummers in general, be sure to ask Trisha as well. I've asked her to write something for the newsletter and she promptly submitted it in a very timely manner! We have big plans next year in show incentitives and try to promote Welsummers. In the future, we might do some WCNA's Most Recognized Breeders/Owners Award of the Year. We are slowly gaining popularity and hopefully, the club will expand even more and it will get more serious.


Hope next year will be our best!




PS Nate, our vice president, has been very busy this year and hoping to get some of his lines back in his Welsummers. Let us wish him all the luck! If any of you got some of his lines and not crossed with any lines, I am sure he would appreciate getting some!



From the Secretary's Corner!


Goodbye sweltering hot summer/fall! Hello Winter! I'm probaby not alone in hoping it will get a good freeze this Winter to help keep the bug population down! This has been an eventful Summer and Fall! Being elected as Secretary earlier last month (October, 2012) was one of the big events! I'm ecstatic to be able to play a part in it. To me the people involved with Welsummers were part of the charm of the breed.


I will tell you a bit about myself. I am happily married and live in a small town living in Eastern Iowa. My son is 18 years old and spreading his wings. I also have four dogs; 3 Aussies, and a Great Pyrnees. A pet parakeet shared in our home with us as well. We live on the farm, but rent out our farm ground. My husband is a machinest that works for a cabinet company. Myself, I run a farm stand and attend farmer's markets throughout the summer.


Owning and training horses is a passion of mine, however, I gave that up to pursue breeding and showing poultry. For a while, I was involved with a hatchery. The breeding goals were so different than what I believed in, that I decided to go on my own and just concentrate on my show stock. Currently, my breeding projects includes Welsummers, Blue and Black Ameraucanas, and I have some trios and pairs left over from previous breeding projects Rhode Island Reds, Buff Orpingtons and Black Tailed Buff Marans. Some for show and some for yard monkeys. I picked up a nice trio of White Ameraucanas to add to my line as well.


Eastern Iowa Poultry Association has an annual show every Thanksgiving weekend. I am a secretary for that club. It is a great show I am proud to be part of! This year EIPA sponsored a cash award for Grand and Reserve Welsummers.


In my experience in showing Welsummers, there are little or no competition out there. I am looking to change that by getting more people in exhibiting their birds. Showing is great fun and great way of meeting like minded people! I've met a lot of great folks out thru showing, some are very close friends. This fancy has a lot of great people involved, which I am sure a lot of you have experienced! If you haven't shown yet, you may be feeling the reservation that I did. You know what? It's much easier than you think. Feel free to contact me anytime. I am more than happy to share the tricks of the trade or get you started in the right direction!


In closing, I would like to encourage everyone to join and participate in the WCNA Facebook page (and the WCNA website! editor). There is a lot to be learned there as well as meeting other breeders. I've noticed that not everyone is interested in using Facebook and would rather follow Showbirdbid.com. It is a great site and very well moderated. Lots of knowledgeable folks in there! So, I'm having a Welsummer division put together by Dustin Wilson, and encourage everyone to check it out!


Until next time, happy chicken keeping!


Trish Dusil





Editor's comments......Thank you Trish! I know many of our Welsummer breeders/owners/exhibitors do not want to mess with Facebook. I can understand that perfectly and our members have the control to use FB just for that WCNA site. There are many restrictions you have on your Facebook, please use them at your discretions. Do not invite anyone you don't want on your FB page and strictly use it for WCNA page only. Block any or all incoming "invites" if you get relatives, friends (other than WCNA members) would benefit you if you do not want the unnecessary drama, politicial/religious stuff on your feed screen. Only you, the member, have that control what you want to use Facebook. You can hide all those unnecessary games, etc. on your FB screen page as well. Not all Facebook members have access to the WCNA news feed, either because one has been banned from the club indefinately of reasons of unethical methods, or of suspecious nature of spamming our members or slandering or creating harm to the club and its members. The board and moderators KNOW who is on the ban list and we will not reveal it in public. Thankfully, there is not very many!



Breeder's Corner



None submitted at this time of newsletter! Hope for some next time!



We need articles, information for our next newsletter. Hopefully we will get a show roster going for our showing Welsummers!


Marcel Eissens Dutch Welsummers

Posted by Robin Paceley-Geiger on October 23, 2012 at 2:45 PM Comments comments (3)

To all of our members

One of our members have submitted an article for all of us to read about the Dutch Welsummers and British Welsummers. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. 


Thank you Marcel for sharing it with us! I am sure all of us sure to gain knowledge and information on the Welummers.

Hoping to have a WCNA Fall 2012 newsletter soon!


Votes for the Secretary/Treasurer position

Posted by Robin Paceley-Geiger on May 1, 2012 at 10:15 AM Comments comments (1)

OK, Nate and I discussed about the secretary/treasurer position that we feel that Trisha Dusil would fit the "bill". Anyone else want the position, please forward your name and why you want the position. Then after a month, we will put forward a voting ballot for the secretary position of the winning position.......you can vote NOW if you like! Either on here or PM me or Nate your votes!

Votes will expire on June 1st. So bring your votes!

You can find the updates on the votes on Facebook's WCNA......:)

Lines and Strains

Posted by Robin Paceley-Geiger on March 12, 2012 at 10:35 AM Comments comments (0)

One of our members Anthony Francis has submitted on the Yahoo site of this wonderful article by Mr Reese. Hope this will clarify for those of you that just can not grasp the understanding of strains and lines.





By Frank R. Reese Jr.

Distict 6 Director

Exhibition Turkey Fanciers


I often get phone calls of people who state they have just gotten a variety of

turkey and want to talk about the variety they have gotten. My first question

always is what's the source strain of your variety of turkey . The reason I ask

this question is because it will tell me a lot about the turkeys they have

gotten. I always encourage people who want to buy any type of poultry to be sure

and ask about the blood line before they buy any bird.

The American Poultry Association is the one who set up the system of Class,

breed and variety of poultry. The Class tells you where in the world the bird

come from. Breed tells you the genetic type of the bird. Variety tells you the

color pattern and other genetic differences that may be allowed in a breed

variety. So what is a strain and why bother about it, anyway?

As you review ads in different hatchery books to buy hatching eggs, chicks or

poults you no longer see strain names of poultry listed anymore like the old

days. Poultry people today no longer seem to take an interest in the strain of

the breed and variety they are buying. If you chose to go to a farmer to buy

your poultry be sure and ask about the strain of the birds you are buying.

This is a well-founded fact that there may be as much difference between strains

within a variety as between varieties. Strains differ greatly in such economic

factors as rate of growth, viability, mature size, conformation, eggs

production, hatchability and probably feed efficiency. When I got started 50

years ago you did not just buy Barred Rocks, Black Giants, Bronze turkeys and so

on. You were told to buy Ralph Sturgeon's Barred Rocks, Golda Miller's Black

Giants and Norman Kardosh's Bronze turkeys. The list of breeders back then would

apply to all breeds of poultry in the American Standards of Perfection.

What is a strain?It takes several years of closed flock breeding (no

introduction of outside stock) to develop a distinctive strain of poultry.

"Strain" is defended in the Standard of Perfection as "Fowl of any breed or

variety that have been line-bred for a number of years, and which reproduce

uniform characteristics with marked regularity."

The delegates at the 1953 National Plans Conference defined "strain" as turkey

breeding stock bearing a given name produced by a breeder through at least five

generations of closed flock breeding. This definition clearly specifies when a

breeder may designate stock as his or hers own strain. All strain names of

poultry before 1950 were applied to standard bred poultry and not hybrid

poultry. The farmer whom development the strain was often given the strain

title; like Golda Millers Jersey Giants and Reiman's Bronze. It applied to all

standard bred poultry but should serve as a guide to other breeders even today.

The breeder who has been successful in developing a superior strain of poultry

is interested in protecting the good name of the strain. Chicks and poults are

misrepresented sometimes as to strain for the purpose of inducing sales. Such

misrepresentation, especially when applied to chicks and poults of inferior

quality, are detrimental both to the original breeder and to the purchaser.

When does a strain run out or become your own strain? There is always the

question of when a strain ceases to be a strain.Stock purchased directly from

the originating breeder certainly may be designated properly as of the strain,

but what about the next generation and the next? Under the Plan rule of 1954 the

strain name may be applied to first generation progeny of stock originating from

eggs or chicks produced under the direct supervision of the breeder. Subsequent

generations may be so designated only when specific authority for the use of the

strain name has been given by the originator of the strain.

In simpler words, this means that a breeder, grower or hatchery may produce

(let's say Frank Reese Bronze) Frank Reese poults, for example, if the parent

stock was hatched from eggs produced by Frank Reese or if the hatchery has been

authorized by Frank Reese to sell the Frank Reese strain of turkeys. The rule is

designed to give assurance to the purchaser that he or she will obtain the

particular strain of turkeys that he or she thinks he or she is getting.

I purchased my first Bronze turkey poults from Norman Kardosh over fifty years

ago. I continued to buy eggs and poults from Norman over the years until his

death. Does this still mean I have Norman Kardosh Bronze turkeys?Even though I

have kept the Kardosh strain of Bronze free from other strains of Bronze turkeys

I can only say now I have descendants of Norman's Bronze. Since I have been

selecting and breeding the turkeys on my own for over 10 years and not been able

to purchases poults from Norman, the Bronze turkeys have now become Frank Reese

strain of Bronze. Now I have decided what the Reese strain of Bronze turkeys

will look like.

In today's world they are very few purebred strains of poultry to be found. I

would say 99% of the poultry being produced for market is hybrid strains from

mega corporate hatcheries. Poultry now have names like Hubbard, Cobb, Nicholas,

Hybrid and so on being the names of the corporations who development this hybrid

strains of poultry.We now have very few individual farmers working on keeping

strains of purebred poultry. When you purchases these corporate hybrid strains

of poultry the individual farmer can no longer reproduce from these birds. These

strains have been so developed as to keep the farmer from reproducing them. The

strains are often from F7 crosses which take an industrial hatchery to

produce.As a result of this type of poultry breeding of strains we no longer

have any bio-diversity in our poultry.

So the next time you purchase Barred Rocks, Bronze turkeys or Rouen ducks and

wonder way they look nothing like the standards for the breed or variety; this

means you have not checked out the strain of the poultry you have purchased. Be

sure and ask those questions the next time from the hatchery or farmers. What is

the rate of growth, feed conversion, mature weight, eggs production are just

some of the question to be asked. If you feel you do not have the knowledge to

ask such questions then find a licensed American Poultry Association judge to

help you find the breed or variety you are looking for. Attend at APA poultry

show and talk with breeders of the poultry you are looking for.Subscribe to the

Poultry Press and look for those ads from breeders whom still keep a strain of

poultry that goes back many years. You will be happy you did and the quality of

the market birds you have will go up.

Read more:





WCNA 2012 Winter/Spring e-newsletter

Posted by Robin Paceley-Geiger on February 15, 2012 at 7:45 PM Comments comments (7)

Hello Members!

It has been a long fall and cold winter! I am overdue to write a newsletter and haven't found the time doing the fall issues. Now I have a bit of time to work on it as I go!

There are several writings from our Welsummer breeders and once I post them, feel free to read them at your time and share comments if you like.

Breeders: Please update me your status for the 2012 year, if you will be selling hatching eggs, chicks and started birds or matured birds, and whether or not you can ship them or not AND give a website link if you want people to take a look at your beautiful Welsummers. Some of the interested parties are letting me know some of the breeders are no longer breeding or simply "vanished" without a trace or anything to let me know of the changes.

I am hoping we will get more good breeders to be involved in the WCNA and similiar sites, particuarly the older ones that has been around for a LONG time. Many thanks to the "oldies", John Hall, Dr Bjorn Netland, Laurie Adams, Nina Cipriani, Erhard Weihs, and Marcel Eissens of Netherlands....Welcome and glad you joined the WCNA. Your experience, expertise and generously give out opinions and information about the Welsummers are invaluable!

I still need Breeder's Corner's information, how you got started and so forth. If you can submit it, I can use it for the next e-newsletter!

May this Spring will be a good one for all of us. There has been an overwhelming demand for good roosters so if you have an extra one or two to sell, and can ship, give me a shout out and I can post it in various chicken sites.

Due to some of our readers, people wanting pictures, I mean good show pictures of the SOP Welsummers. Unfortunately there is NO perfect Welsummers but we can submit pictures of our BEST shown Welsummers that has most of all the desirable traits in the SOP required by the APA. I do not have any good show Welsummers but if anyone can submit a photo or two I can see if I can post them under the SOP section on this WCNA website.

Thank you and may all of you have a successful year!

Robin Geiger, President



Breeder's Corner

Dr Bjorn Netland, commenting about the Dutch Welsummers

I believe the Dutch did not develop the golden duckwing or the silver duckwing Welsummers; rather, these were developed in the UK and/or Germany. To my knowledge, the Dutch recognize but one color: the "regular" rusty-red/brown type that we have. I once had some of the golden duckwing bantams, which were nice, but gave them up. These birds came from German imports via Canada.

The German type is quite a bit different from the Dutch/UK type. The German birds are larger (somewhat reminiscent of RIRs but more rotund) with a much lower tail carriage than the Dutch/UK birds. German type Welsummers are common in Scandinavia and--I believe--France. There was quite some discussion after we had them recognized by the APA as to which type to go for; originally, we adopted the British type in the standard, but when people in Canada (German immigrants with German type birds) objected, the standard was changed in a sort of compromise: higher tail carriage than German birds but lower than the Dutch/Brits. This switch from our original type was not a wise move, in my opinion. The egg shell color of the British/Dutch lines was also much darker (and more uniform) than that of the German type (lighter color and a high incidence of dark spots or speckles). Therefore, I find it curious that people sometimes find the Welsummer eggs to be "too dark"--as the dark egg was what was originally desired.

I also find that the German birds have a smaller comb, which is especially noted in cock birds, and the hackle (and male saddle) color tends to be somewhat darker. The breast color in the German standard also requires a different marking for males.

What I have chosen is obvious: the UK/Dutch type and dark eggshell color, but watching egg size, pepper (stippling) [which sometimes tends to become to coarse and almost like lacing], and stubs (especially in males) along with white in the tail/flight feathers in males. The last problem is best dealt with by using two-year-old males that are still solid. I have also seen birds placed in champion row with a very poor back angle; rather than being horizontal, birds have a sloping back along the lines of the Minorcas or Andalusians, which should be a major fault. These are merely my own observations and opinions, and others may certain differ. Anyway, happy New Year to you all and good luck with this year's hatch.


Robin, I did NOT sell a lot of birds; in fact, I dealt with only 7 or 8 people. I regularly swapped with Lowell and Ron Nelson in Wisconsin (both superior poultry keepers and now deceased), and our original lines all came from the same flocks, 2 flocks originating in the UK (I was fortunate enough to secure two incredible cock birds from an Englishman in Oregon [he has requested that he remain anonymous] (who had very nice British stock, very nice type and wonderful eggs, and Lowell got one of the cock birds to get new blood into his flock). He raved about the offspring after using that bird, and my experience was similarly positive, as was Ron Nelson's (who received some of the F-1 birds from both Lowell and me). There is too much misinformation about the breed in this country, including facts about line characteristics etc. I have tried birds from Ideal, and they do not look like anything in the flocks we (Ron, Lowell, and I) had/have: much too dark, off balance, and poor layers of pitiful eggs), assuming that the 5 birds I got 2 years ago are representative of what they offer. Sandhill has birds from Ron Nelson (and I also believe, from Lowell's flock, though there should not be much difference between the two.

While I have not sold many Welsummers, I have given eggs to 4H kids for free, and I have no idea what they have done with them. Perhaps that is how my name has come up as a salesperson. Again, I am not selling birds or eggs indiscriminately; nor will I do that in the future.

Dr Bjorn Netland



Thanks to all that gave their opinions in the Breeder's Corner. You can see how people mutually give out opinions, suggestions and advices in a very cordial manner and respectfully to each other's opinion when we can read the wide variations of the Welsummers' presence that would affect the past, present and future of the breed.

Good job folks and keep them coming!


Crossroads Poultry Show in Indiana 2011

Posted by Robin Paceley-Geiger on August 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM Comments comments (1)

Anyone wants to go?

Here is the link for the Crossroads and there will be thousands of breeds out there! Go out and show your Welsummers!


I have two people wanting POL Welsummers or a bit younger. One for LF and the other wants BF of Holland/Dutch lines.

Please do contact me if you do have something for sale and will meet at the Crossroads and I will send you their emails and you can correspond from there!